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florian trout	pharmakoi/distance crunching honchos with echo units	Lead	[-]
Space Saviour Posts: 1595 (01/02/2002 12:08) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Tags : None Remove this ad This album I listen to more then any other. I am surprised that I haven't worn it out yet. I listen to it even more then HOB. This is not an easy album to like. It certainly is not one that you would introduce new fans to. Yet if I could contradict myself, it is one of the easiest albums to listen to. It is so SUBLIME from 1:07 through Stop. The whole thing just fits together so nice and perfectly, with little or no effort. Parts of this c.d are very sparse and exposed, while other sections are so layered and textured with sounds that you can't help but drift away. I get the feeling that Steve, Peter and Tim had not planned this gem. Everything I've read about the production of this disc, was very improvised and spontaneous. If there is filler on this album, it is well disguised. I have stopped differentiating between songs, so I'm not going to break them apart piece by piece. IMO, there are no low spots or high spots. This is one of the most uniform and consistent albums from these guys. Short of Numbers, which I am still sticking to as the best Church song of all time, The Refo:mation disc is my favorite album from these guys, hands down. That's where my taste are at. Tony Sorry Marty, I am a big fan of yours
JEAN ZAMMIT	Re: pharmakoi/distance crunching honchos with echo units	#1	[-]
Posts: 2076 (01/02/2002 12:29) Faith Healer Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Ft I've just posted on the GAF topic claiming GAF more or less to be my favorite Church album. Now I see your pharmakoi topic and I'm all confused! This is an outstanding album. I think the whole process of the 3 members not having to sound like The Church made them sound better than The Church . Not the right album to introduce the band to people? I don't know. Last week a friend was over ....knows f all about The Church....I was playing the album........he gave me that 'who the hell are these guys ' reaction. I ended up burning the cd for him ....so? I have to add though that my friends are all very much into music, so they'd take to non commercial stuff easier .
florian trout	Re: pharmakoi/distance crunching honchos with echo units	#2	[-]
Space Saviour Posts: 1595 (01/02/2002 13:26) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Jean: we are thinking the same again, and that's dangerous.
JackFrost	Re: pharmakoi/distance crunching honchos with echo units	#3	[-]
Columbus Posts: 786 (01/02/2002 14:42) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Gentleman, I have to agree! This is the disc. If it wasn't for wonderful sites like the womb, I would have never known about this little gem. Pharmokai gets high rotation at home, and only just shades HOB. I don't know what the boys did when they recorded this, but everything was certainly in the right place and the album flows beautifully. Maybe it was not having the pressure to make a top selling record, but to just go into the studio and have some fun. This is a smooth layered album, with no low points. I love the way all the songs flow together especially from Traitor to Florian Trout. I can't name any standout tracks, but if I had to it would probably be She Comes in Singing and Get Over It. I would dearly love to see the guys play something from this record on a live show, instead of the well tried Two Places at Once from SA. As much as I am a fan of Marty, it is very noticeable that he is not missed on this record, unlike the void that is PK on SA. If anyone has not yet got this record, you have been told and told and told..... Buy It! Danny
florian trout	Re: pharmakoi/distance crunching honchos with echo units	#4	[-]
Space Saviour Posts: 1595 (01/02/2002 16:26) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Maybe there is something to going out and changing the name of your band, (having a surname) I remember in the late 80's, XTC put out an album under the band name of The Dukes of Stratosphere, I remember it being pretty darn good too. Other random thoughts: SA= Steve Marty, Tim Pharmakoi= Steve, Peter, Tim Bastard Universe= Peter, Marty, Tim
JackFrost	Re: pharmakoi/distance crunching honchos with echo units	#5	[-]
Columbus Posts: 786 (01/02/2002 16:36) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I didn't know that Steve was a non-contributor to Bastard Universe...? Danny
florian trout	Re: pharmakoi/distance crunching honchos with echo units	#6	[-]
Space Saviour Posts: 1595 (01/02/2002 17:09) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I read somewhere in an interview, that he was too stoned to play. or contributed very little.
Jesuskrishna	Re: pharmakoi/distance crunching honchos with echo units	#7	[-]
Columbus Posts: 867 (01/02/2002 21:37) Glow Worm Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Steve is most certainly a part of Bastard Universe....Yes, he may drift out now & again....Yes, it is mainly the Pete & Marty Show, no, it isn't Yes, but Steve is there....some of the time....I always figured he would just stop to roll another number..... Jk%^)
Altres	Re: pharmakoi/distance crunching honchos with echo units	#8	[-]
Faith Healer Space Saviour Posts: 1857 (01/03/2002 07:04) Faith Healer Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	This album is one of my favourites from the 1990's, although it doesn't sound uniquely from any one decade. The flow is amazing and the freshness is still there after 100+ listens. I too would love to hear some of this live and would hope "ego's" weren't an issue. I too love both playing styles but I'm talking songwriting not aptitude. "Florian Trout", "She Comes in Singing", "Don't Move", "Trying to get in" and "Who is the One" are all classics. "The Moon and the Sea" is beyond classic and sits alone in heaven. The only drab spot is "Take Your Place" which I sometimes skip although not for the vocals, just the song itself. "Stop", OK. Brian
Marcelo	SA v. Pharmakoi = MWP Guitar v. PK Guitar	#9	[-]
Snowfaller Posts: 688 (01/04/2002 08:28) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Okay folks, in your opinion, who wins the Battle of the Solo Guitars? Although SK plays some guitar on each of these albums, I think it's clear that SA and Pharmakoi brings out the best of the distinctive styles of MWP and PK respectively. So it's a question of preference. I generally prefer Marty's playing on SA to Peter's on Pharmakoi because Marty's a bit more intense and hyper. But PK certainly has his moments, most of which are a lot more subtle and subdued. Also, on the HOB tour, it seemed to me that Marty carried more of the load for guitar solos. True or false? -Marcelo
florian trout	Re: SA v. Pharmakoi = MWP Guitar v. PK Guitar	#10	[-]
Space Saviour Posts: 1595 (01/04/2002 08:33) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Remove this ad Marcelo you ask a loaded question. You can't possibly expect any good to come out of this. P.K. is as crucial to the band as MWP as is S.K., but personally I think the Church wouldn't be here today if it weren't for T.P.
Random Pan	Re: SA v. Pharmakoi = MWP Guitar v. PK Guitar	#11	[-]
Snowfaller Posts: 551 (01/04/2002 09:59) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I'd like to suggest we start a new topic on the guitar styles of MWP and PK...this is really a topic I think a lot of us could weigh in on, apart from the discussion on Pharmakoi (which I deeply regret not having heard...the descriptions I have read make it sound absolutely fantastic!) Michael aka random pan
Columbus92	Re: pharmakoi/distance crunching honchos with echo units	#12	[-]
Posts: 125 (01/04/2002 12:13) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	This disc is the best put out by the Church & related. Period. As JackFrost said, "you have been told and told and told..... Buy It!" Random Pan and any others - GET IT !!!!!!! I could go on and on about this, I picked it up in 1998 along with HOB and a few other Church discs to round out the back catalog. It was the closet sleeper. Now it gets almost constant rotation. See also the following topic in the "Side Projects" board: pub61.ezboard.com/fhotelwombfrm28.showMessage?topicID=3.topic Trout, one other random thought: GAF= Steve, Marty, Peter (to finish out all four possible "trios" of Church related output).
Columbus92	Re: pharmakoi/distance crunching honchos with echo units	#13	[-]
Posts: 125 (01/04/2002 12:34) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Oh yea, Any chance on hearing any of this stuff live, 'cause it would be real KEWL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Marcelo	Not Trying to Start a Fight :-)	#14	[-]
Snowfaller Posts: 688 (01/04/2002 17:03) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Random Pan's right - PK vs. MWP should be discussed elsewhere, and I see someone has already started the new topic. But Trout, I think PK vs. MWP is a worthwhile discussion. Both are absolutely awesome as guitarists, and both are necessary (in my opinion) to produce the best Church material. It's just a question of perference, which we can hopefully discuss in a gracious and civilized manner :-) And yes, Tim Powles f**king rocks - he's a great stabilizing force in the band. Bless him. Anyway, I like most of Pharmakoi, but it drags after Get Over It, getting very slow and tedious. I'm sure many people like the languid pace at the end, but I prefer the punchier songs with greater lyrical and musical bite (Traitor, All See It Now, Florian Trout). Overall my 2nd favorite solo album/side project, after Snow Job. -Marcelo (with a taste of Florentine)
Random Pan	Re: Pharmakoi	#15	[-]
Snowfaller Posts: 551 (06/19/2002 13:12) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	More recycling of old topics... Michael
timebeing(d)	5:28	#16	[-]
Posts: 2995 (03/13/2003 10:41) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	55:28 pm? If the title comes from that number then the title of this song should be 2 Days 7:28 am...
dreamaria	towards sleep	#17	[-]
Posts: 905 (03/14/2003 20:57) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	The groove of the album for me, the nugget, the jewel. I think the unsnared snare is intentionally de-tuned or something, but has a cool effect amidst the other hypnotics, SK & PK. But for sure a stand out.
miloguidosmom	Re: pharmakoi/distance crunching honchos with echo units	#18	[-]
Space Saviour Posts: 1575 (04/13/2003 09:47) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I just got this a couple of weeks ago and I love it! I got it because I was in one of those "I must buy something moods" (I guess the antidepressents weren't kicking in quite right). I knew I'd like it -- I mean, of course, I'm going to like it, but I didn't think I would like it so much. Upon listening to it a few times I didn't even have to up the Celexa!
another earth	Re: pharmakoi/distance crunching honchos with echo units	#19	[-]
Columbus Posts: 999 (04/13/2003 21:03) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	The 22nd of this month will mark one year since I bought this CD. I would have to say that in that time, this was definitely my most listened to CD. One of my personal faves, ever! A few weeks ago, I had a dream that a second Refo CD had been released and I was listening to it. One of those moments I wish I could have recorded my dreams - the songs were dark, brooding, dreamy, spacy, and atmosperic as ever. "Somewhere in the wilderness, you wander like a river, crossing the wheatfields and crying to the sorry ocean. You're crying to the sorry ocean, wrapped in the arms of night."
Ill give you a free bird	refo	#20	[-]
Posts: 17 (04/14/2003 14:30) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Remove this ad finally got this great great music i wish there was a 2nd refo album it would occupy a lot of my cd players playing time matt

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